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	<title>Mais peut-&#234;tre que la retraite_par_capitalisation, &#231;a marche pour le priv&#233;. Ou peut-&#234;tre pas ?&#8230;</title>
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	<published>2010-11-18T09:32:26Z</published>
	<updated>2010-11-18T09:32:26Z</updated>
	
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	<summary>Mais peut-être que la #retraite_par_capitalisation, ça marche pour le privé. Ou peut-être pas?

`Silent Heart Attack' for Pensions Driven by Yields - Bloomberg
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-14/company-pension-funds-in-u-s-falling-behind-payouts-amid-low-bond-yields.html

"The gap between the assets of the 100 largest company pensions and their projected liabilities widened by $108 billion in August from the previous month to a $459.8 billion deficit, actuarial and consulting firm Milliman Inc. said today in a statement."

"Contributions to the 100 biggest corporate pension plans increased to $54.5 billion in 2009 from $29.5 billion the previous year and compares with an average of $38.7 billion for the prior five years, Milliman said in an April report. Companies may have to spend even more cash to fund their pensions, Hackel said."</summary>
	<content type="html">&lt;div lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mais peut-&#234;tre que la &lt;span class='lien_tag'&gt;#&lt;a href=&quot;http://seenthis.net/tag/retraite_par_capitalisation&quot;&gt;retraite_par_capitalisation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, &#231;a marche pour le priv&#233;. Ou peut-&#234;tre pas?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;`Silent Heart Attack' for Pensions Driven by Yields - Bloomberg&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class='lien_lien' &gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-14/company-pension-funds-in-u-s-falling-behind-payouts-amid-low-bond-yields.html&quot; class='spip_out' title=&quot;`Silent Heart Attack' for Pensions Driven by Yields&quot; hreflang=&quot;en&quot;&gt;&lt;span class='lien_court'&gt;&lt;span class='lien_protocol'&gt;http://&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class='lien_racine lien_raccourci'&gt;&lt;span class='lien_host'&gt;&lt;span class='lien_www'&gt;www.&lt;/span&gt;bloomberg.com&lt;/span&gt;/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class='lien_off'&gt;news/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class='lien_off'&gt;2010-09-14/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class='lien_fin'&gt;&lt;span class='lien_fin_coupee'&gt;company-pension-funds-in-u-s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class='lien_fin_cachee'&gt;-falling-behind-payouts-amid-low-bond-yields.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#8220;The gap between the assets of the 100 largest company pensions and their projected liabilities widened by $108 billion in August from the previous month to a $459.8 billion deficit, actuarial and consulting firm Milliman Inc. said today in a statement.&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#8220;Contributions to the 100 biggest corporate pension plans increased to $54.5 billion in 2009 from $29.5 billion the previous year and compares with an average of $38.7 billion for the prior five years, Milliman said in an April report. Companies may have to spend even more cash to fund their pensions, Hackel said.&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content>
	
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	<id>urn:uuid:508ea5bb-44e8-478a-bba0-49386c36c62d</id>
	<title>Mais au fait, est-ce que &#231;a marche, la retraite_par_capitalisation ? Pas pour le secteur public,&#8230;</title>
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		<name>ARNO* (@arno)</name>
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	<published>2010-11-18T09:29:43Z</published>
	<updated>2010-11-18T09:29:43Z</updated>
	
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	<summary>Mais au fait, est-ce que ça marche, la #retraite_par_capitalisation? Pas pour le secteur public, semble-t-il.

Pensions in Peril - The funding status of state-sponsored pension plans
http://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/index.php/Kellogg/article/pensions_in_peril

"State governments in the United States had approximately $2 trillion set aside in pension funds and $3 trillion of “stated” pension liabilities in December 2008. By this measure, the funds seemed to be short nearly $1 trillion. But according to Rauh and Novy-Marx, the shortfall is more than three times larger, at $3.2 trillion."

"Ohio faces the largest burden. It would need to devote over eight years of tax revenue solely to retirement funding to cover already-acquired pension liabilities. Colorado, Rhode Island, and Illinois are close behind. “Vermont, the least underfunded as a percent of total tax revenue, would still need over twenty months of tax revenue to make up for its pension fund shortfall,” Rauh says."</summary>
	<content type="html">&lt;div lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mais au fait, est-ce que &#231;a marche, la &lt;span class='lien_tag'&gt;#&lt;a href=&quot;http://seenthis.net/tag/retraite_par_capitalisation&quot;&gt;retraite_par_capitalisation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;? Pas pour le secteur public, semble-t-il.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pensions in Peril - The funding status of state-sponsored pension plans&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class='lien_lien' &gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/index.php/Kellogg/article/pensions_in_peril&quot; class='spip_out' title=&quot;Pensions in Peril - The funding status of state-sponsored pension plans&quot; hreflang=&quot;en&quot;&gt;&lt;span class='lien_court'&gt;&lt;span class='lien_protocol'&gt;http://&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class='lien_racine lien_raccourci'&gt;&lt;span class='lien_host'&gt;insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu&lt;/span&gt;/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class='lien_off'&gt;index.php/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class='lien_off'&gt;Kellogg/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class='lien_off'&gt;article/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class='lien_fin'&gt;&lt;span class='lien_fin_coupee'&gt;pensions_&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class='lien_fin_cachee'&gt;in_peril&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#8220;State governments in the United States had approximately $2 trillion set aside in pension funds and $3 trillion of &#8220;stated&#8221; pension liabilities in December 2008. By this measure, the funds seemed to be short nearly $1 trillion. But according to Rauh and Novy-Marx, the shortfall is more than three times larger, at $3.2 trillion.&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#8220;Ohio faces the largest burden. It would need to devote over eight years of tax revenue solely to retirement funding to cover already-acquired pension liabilities. Colorado, Rhode Island, and Illinois are close behind. &#8220;Vermont, the least underfunded as a percent of total tax revenue, would still need over twenty months of tax revenue to make up for its pension fund shortfall,&#8221; Rauh says.&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content>
	
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	<title>O&#249; va l'argent de la retraite_par_capitalisation ? BBC News - Customers losing thousands on pension&#8230;</title>
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	<published>2010-11-18T09:27:11Z</published>
	<updated>2010-11-18T09:27:11Z</updated>
	
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	<summary>Où va l'argent de la #retraite_par_capitalisation?

BBC News - Customers losing thousands on pension fees, commissions
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11452857

"Pension-selling companies are taking the equivalent of 80% of money paid into some pension plans out in fees and commissions, BBC Panorama has found.

In one HSBC pension plan, £120,000 paid in over 40 years would result in fees and commissions totalling £99,900."</summary>
	<content type="html">&lt;div lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;O&#249; va l'argent de la &lt;span class='lien_tag'&gt;#&lt;a href=&quot;http://seenthis.net/tag/retraite_par_capitalisation&quot;&gt;retraite_par_capitalisation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;BBC News - Customers losing thousands on pension fees, commissions&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class='lien_lien' &gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11452857&quot; class='spip_out' title=&quot;BBC News - Customers losing thousands on pension fees, commissions&quot; hreflang=&quot;en&quot;&gt;&lt;span class='lien_court'&gt;&lt;span class='lien_protocol'&gt;http://&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class='lien_racine'&gt;&lt;span class='lien_host'&gt;&lt;span class='lien_www'&gt;www.&lt;/span&gt;bbc.co.uk&lt;/span&gt;/&lt;/span&gt;news/&lt;span class='lien_fin'&gt;uk-11452857&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#8220;Pension-selling companies are taking the equivalent of 80% of money paid into some pension plans out in fees and commissions, BBC Panorama has found.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In one HSBC pension plan, &#163;120,000 paid in over 40 years would result in fees and commissions totalling &#163;99,900.&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content>
	
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