Iran's Syria project : pushing population shifts to increase influence

JHD @hadji 20/01/2017

Amid Syrian chaos, Iran’s game plan emerges: a path to the Mediterranean | World news | The Guardian
▻https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/08/iran-iraq-syria-isis-land-corridor
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The plan has been coordinated by senior government and security officials in Tehran, Baghdad and Damascus, all of whom defer to the head of the spearhead of Iran’s foreign policy, the Quds force of the Revolutionary Guards, headed by Major General Qassem Suleimani, who has run Iran’s wars in Syria and Iraq. It involves demographic shifts, which have already taken place in central Iraq and are under way in northern Syria. And it relies heavily on the support of a range of allies, who are not necessarily aware of the entirety of the project but have a developed vested interest in securing separate legs.
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- JHD @hadji 20/01/2017
  
  En ce qui concerne les déplacements de populations : ▻https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/13/irans-syria-project-pushing-population-shifts-to-increase-influence?CMP
  
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Kassem @kassem CC BY-NC-SA 15/01/2017

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De Beyrouth, #Martin_Chulov du Guardian affirme qu’ en #Syrie l’#Iran est en train d’installer des chiites (de toute nationalité) dans des zones préalablement habitées par des sunnites.
▻https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/13/irans-syria-project-pushing-population-shifts-to-increase-influence
Et sa source est un groupe genre #al-qaida :
Labib al-Nahas, the chief of foreign relations for #Ahrar_al-Sham, who led negotiations in Istanbul, said Tehran was seeking to create areas it could control. “Iran was very ready to make a full swap between the north and south. They wanted a geographical continuation into Lebanon. Full sectarian segregation is at the heart of the Iranian project in Syria. They are looking for geographical zones that they can fully dominate and influence. This will have repercussions on the entire region.
- #Tehran
- #Martin Chulov
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- Kassem @kassem CC BY-NC-SA 15/01/2017
  
  Article de 2015 :
  La vision apocalyptique d’Ahrar al-Sham pour la Syrie et la région
  ►http://www.middleeasteye.net/fr/opinions/la-vision-apocalyptique-d-ahrar-al-sham-pour-la-syrie-et-la-r-gion-14
  
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- Nidal @nidal CC BY 15/01/2017
  
  The propaganda of Martin Chulov: FAKE NEWS Propaganda in the Guardian newspaper
  ▻http://angryarab.blogspot.fr/2017/01/the-propaganda-of-martin-chulov-fake.html
  And here I used to recommend the Guardian newspaper as an alternative to US media after Sep. 11. Now the Guardian has become indistinguishable from the New York Times and Washington Post in its propaganda coverage of Syria. This story is — simply put — made up. As you all know, Syrian rebels regularly, if not daily, produce fake news and spread them throughout social media and they are often carried in Gulf regime media, which in turn inspire Western media to reproduce them citing the authority of Qatari regime or Saudi regime media. This story is made up by Ahrar Ash-Sham. And you will see in dispatches by Western correspondents in Beirut, like Chulov, a reference such as this: “said one senior Lebanese leader”. Lebanon is deeply divided between two camps: one camp is led by HIzbullah and the other is led by the Saudi embassy in Beirut. To which camp do you think this Lebanese “leader” belongs to? And they cite “a Lebanese leader” as if any of the Lebanese leaders are independent and neutral about the war in Syria. This is like citing “a US leader” in a story about Israel.
  
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- unagi @unagi CC BY-NC 15/01/2017
  
  J’ai un ami Sunnite originaire de Idlib qui tient le mème discours. Il parle d’un afflux massif de chiites provenant d’autres régions, d’autres pays et que les régions sunnites seraient sous le coup d’une « colonisation de peuplement. »
  En dehors de la véracité de la chose j’ai quand mème l’impression que la question religieuse prend une place de plus en plus importante dans un pays qui semblait en dehors de ce genre de tensions. L’installation des chiites est une question que je voulais vous poser.
  Pour terminer, ses « sources » sont de Idlib et non pas du Gardian, ce qui rend pas les choses plus vraies ou plus fausses mais qui peut témoigner de l’état d’esprit qui règne là bas.
  
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- Rumor @rumor CC BY-NC-SA 15/01/2017
  
  La question que cela pose, d’un point de vue démographique, est d’où viendrait ces masses de chiites. Dans la plupart des sources sur les appartenances religieuses en Syrie, les chiites sont généralement estimés à 1% (par exemple : ▻https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrie#Groupes_.2F_Population_.2F_pourcentage). Ca vaut ce que ça vaut mais de là à parler d’invasion massive... Il s’agit principalement à ma connaissance très imparfaite de communautés urbaines (notamment au sud de Damas), de quelques petites villes frontalières de la Beqaa nord (région de Hermel au Liban) et de quelques poches dont on a parlé récemment, au nord-ouest d’Alep (zones assiégées dont les populations ont été « échangées » avec les populations évacuées d’Alep. J’aurais beaucoup de mal croire que l’Iran installe des populations d’origine iranienne ou des chiites irakiens.
  
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- unagi @unagi CC BY-NC 15/01/2017
  
  Et par le régime ?
  
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- Elihanah @elihanah 15/01/2017
  
  Moi aussi j’ai des doutes, car le voeu des Usa et UE quand ils ont attaqué la Syrie c’était justement de déplacer les populations en les divisant en « chiites, sunnites, Kurdes, et autres communautés » pour faire des micro-états divisés comme en ex-Yougoslavie qui a été balkanisée de la même façon.Tout a été prévu de longue date : ►http://armedforcesjournal.com/peters-blood-borders-map
  Les forces armées américaines se trouvent actuellement a Erbil dans le futur Kurdistan et la France participe à créer un état kurde, ce qui déplait à Erdogan bien sur ...
  
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- Elihanah @elihanah 15/01/2017
  
  @rumor ce sont des fakes-news en vérité, la démographie des chiites ne peux pas permettre ce qui est prétendu. C’est inverser la véritable politique contre les chiites que de les accuser de favoriser leur population minime. En vérité les sunnites, et Kurdes chasseront les Yézidis et autres communautés. HRW a dénoncé le fait de crimes commis par les Kurdes pour avoir chassés les habitants de leurs maisons, et les avoir terroriser.
  
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- gonzo @gonzo CC BY-NC 15/01/2017
  
  Merci pour ce signalement qui touche à une question aussi sensible que d’actualité, même si la source (Guardian Chulov), de fait, est terriblement biaisée... @rumor : les « peuplements chiites » qui hantent les cauchemars d’une bonne partie des Syriens (cf. témoignage Unagi, auquel j’ajoute le mien, au sein des milieux alaouites !!!) seraient en provenance d’Iran, voire de plus loin (Afghanistan et Cie). Pas plus crédible pour autant, mais ça fait fantasmer encore plus sur l’invasion étrangère. Il faut vraiment que ces sociétés soient en crise pour que de tels bobards puissent prendre aussi bien...
  
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- Nidal @nidal CC BY 15/01/2017
  
  Se souvenir aussi que ça fait partie du plan de de déstabilisation suggéré par l’ambassade américaine en 2006 :
  ►https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html
  — Vulnerability:
  
  –- THE ALLIANCE WITH TEHRAN: Bashar is walking a fine line in his increasingly strong relations with Iran, seeking necessary support while not completely alienating Syria’s moderate Sunni Arab neighbors by being perceived as aiding Persian and fundamentalist Shia interests. Bashar’s decision to not attend the Talabani / Ahmadinejad summit in Tehran following FM Moallem,s trip to Iraq can be seen as a manifestation of Bashar’s sensitivity to the Arab optic on his Iranian alliance.
  
  –- Possible action:
  
  –- PLAY ON SUNNI FEARS OF IRANIAN INFLUENCE: There are fears in Syria that the Iranians are active in both Shia proselytizing and conversion of, mostly poor, Sunnis. Though often exaggerated, such fears reflect an element of the Sunni community in Syria that is increasingly upset by and focused on the spread of Iranian influence in their country through activities ranging from mosque construction to business. Both the local Egyptian and Saudi missions here, (as well as prominent Syrian Sunni religious leaders), are giving increasing attention to the matter and we should coordinate more closely with their governments on ways to better
  
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Changement de populations en Syrie
Iran’s Syria project: pushing population shifts to increase influence | World news | The Guardian
▻https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/13/irans-syria-project-pushing-population-shifts-to-increase-influence?CMP
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n the valleys between Damascus and Lebanon, where whole communities had abandoned their lives to war, a change is taking place. For the first time since the conflict broke out, people are starting to return.
But the people settling in are not the same as those who fled during the past six years.
The new arrivals have a different allegiance and faith to the predominantly Sunni Muslim families who once lived there. They are, according to those who have sent them, the vanguard of a move to repopulate the area with Shia Muslims not just from elsewhere in Syria, but also from Lebanon and Iraq.
The population swaps are central to a plan to make demographic changes to parts of Syria, realigning the country into zones of influence that backers of Bashar al-Assad, led by Iran, can directly control and use to advance broader interests. Iran is stepping up its efforts as the heat of the conflict starts to dissipate and is pursuing a very different vision to Russia, Assad’s other main backer.
Russia, in an alliance with Turkey, is using a nominal ceasefire to push for a political consensus between the Assad regime and the exiled opposition. Iran, meanwhile, has begun to move on a project that will fundamentally alter the social landscape of Syria, as well as reinforcing the Hezbollah stronghold of north-eastern Lebanon, and consolidating its influence from Tehran to Israel’s northern border.
“Iran and the regime don’t want any Sunnis between Damascus and Homs and the Lebanese border,” said one senior Lebanese leader. “This represents a historic shift in populations.”
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