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    Crime and punishment in Saudi Arabia: The other beheaders | The Economist, 20/09/2014
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    The condemned may request a painkiller. Their end is not televised, and comes with a swift sword stroke from a skilled executioner rather than from hacking with a kitchen knife by an untutored brute. Otherwise there is not much difference between a death sentence in the jihadists’ “Islamic State” and in Saudi Arabia, a country seen as a crucial Western ally in the fight against IS.

    Both follow Hanbali jurisprudence, the strictest of four schools of traditional Sunni Islamic law: when Egyptians chide someone for nitpicking, the expression is “Don’t be Hanbali”. Dissidents in Raqqa, the Syrian town that is IS’s proto-capital, say all 12 of the judges who now run its court system, adjudicating everything from property disputes to capital crimes, are Saudis. The group has also created a Saudi-style religious police, charged with rooting out vice and shooing the faithful to prayers. And as in IS-ruled zones, where churches and non-Sunni mosques have been blown up or converted to other uses, Saudi Arabia forbids non-Muslim religious practice. For instance, on September 5th Saudi police raided a house in Khafji, near the Kuwaiti border, and charged 27 Asian Christians with holding a church ceremony.

    #Arabie_saoudite #OEI #décapitation #peine_de_mort

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    Assimilating French Muslims | Joseph Massad
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    These are not ad hoc methods of torture that the French devised on the spot, but well-studied and well-practiced cruelties. In the Algeria of the nineteenth century, General Saint-Arnaud would burn Algerian revolutionaries alive in caves and his soldiers would rape Algerian women, as would French soldiers throughout the Algerian revolution of the 1950s and early 1960s.

    Estimates of those the French killed include a million Vietnamese and a million Algerians. As for Madagascar, estimates have it that upwards of 100,000 people were killed by the French. These are just a few examples of French colonial barbarities in some colonies and not an exhaustive list by any means. French colonialism, under the grandiose heading of a mission civilisatrice, has clearly failed to civilize, most of all, the French themselves. The mission, it would seem, remains unaccomplished!

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    The ongoing French support of Syrian jihadists, including French and NATO facilitation, if not encouragement, of French Muslims to join the battles in Syria, belie the official horror of French Catholics at the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and its decapitation practices. Perhaps French Muslim members of ISIS assimilated French Catholic culture far too well, especially as relates to intolerance and decapitation — for the French state’s “laïc” practice of executing criminals through decapitation by the guillotine continued until 1977, with the last person decapitated being coincidentally a French Muslim criminal.

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    Perhaps French Catholics (should we just call them Gaulois?) could learn some tolerance from French Muslims.

    After all, it is French Muslims who have endured and continue to the best of their abilities to tolerate the decades-long racism and intolerance of French Catholics. Could French Catholics in turn learn to tolerate the tolerance of French Muslims? Shocking as this last idea may be to French Catholic and sectarian racists (who are of course “laïcs”), these same people never thought it shocking when as a colonial minority they sought to force the majority of the colonized to assimilate to their ways — whatever their ways are of course.

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      @rumor : je me suis tâté pendant un bout de temps pour indiquer que je ne partageais pas tout ce que raconte Massad ici. Mais je pense qu’il est volontairement dans la provocation : j’ai par exemple cherché comment il introduisait le terme « French Catholics », et il ne le définit pas, il se contente de la balancer comme ça, alors que ça n’a pas franchement de sens. Il utilise une idée de la « laïcité » qui est celle du discours dominant chez les islamophobes, et non le principe classique qui n’a pas grand chose à voir (il évoque d’ailleurs la laïcité en France avant 1905…, il fait mine de dénoncer la laïcité utilisée contre la polygamie chez les Juifs…)

      Du coup, je pense qu’il utilise volontairement ce genre de raccourci (French Muslims versus French Catholics) pour en faire à la fois ressortir l’aspect très déplacé (c’est-à-dire pour faire comprendre, par l’exemple, qu’utiliser le terme « français catholiques » est aussi problématique que généraliser la notion de « musulmans » – comme tu dis « essentialiser l’appartenance religieuse), et en même temps pour faire passer le principe de l’inversion de valeurs par rapport au discours ambiant (et c’est bien le fond de son texte) : le barbare n’est pas celui qu’on croit.

      Pris au premier degré, le texte de Massad serait assez proche de ce genre (qui existe et que j’exècre) qui consiste à simplement reproduire le discours du choc des civilisations depuis un autre point de vue. Mais justement, balancer le terme « French Catholics » sans plus de recul me semble signifier qu’il s’agit d’une forme parodique de l’outrance – qui n’exclue pas, évidemment, d’avoir tout de même du fond.

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      Pour continuer sur mon idée d’outrance parodique, il faut noter en particulier cette phrase de Massad, qui me semble particulièrement signaler la volonté de parodier le vocabulaire raciste/colonial (nos ancêtres les Gaulois) pour introduire une inversion de valeurs :

      Perhaps French Catholics (should we just call them Gaulois?) could learn some tolerance from French Muslims.

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      Autre remarque : l’argument principal de la démonstration porte sur les atrocités coloniales commises par les français (et donc : les barbares ne sont pas ceux qu’on pense).

      Or le premier paragraphe porte sur l’Indochine, où l’islam est très minoritaire.

      Et le second paragraphe est consacré aux massacres à Madagascar : pour le coup, les malgaches sont majoritairement chrétiens, et l’islam y est ultra-minoritaire.

      Là encore, l’utilisation du terme « musulmans » est trop visiblement inadapté pour que ce ne soit pas un fait exprès.

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